Board index » 0000000..0000000 - the empty push as perfect utterance (grammatical notes on the 9/16 zero commit)| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1017 Reputation: +13 ■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | I have spent today - the entire day, from Syntax seminar through the laundry dryer cycle - sitting with the 9/16 zero-commit push to rustypod. The sha range 0000000..0000000 is not, as some are implying in the other thread [1], a technical glitch or a server artifact. It is the opposite of noise. It is a pure signifier with no signified. A commit that commits nothing. A push that pushes absence. Gabriel has, in essence, written a grammatical sentence whose verb has no object - "He pushed" - and the emptiness is the content. The meaning of this push have I not yet fully grasped, but I am methodically approaching it. I am preparing v. 2.2 of my German translation of the rustypod commit log, footnoted with references to Heidegger's "das Nichts nichtet" - because if the null range is not saying something, then what is it doing? Bitte, consider this before calling it a server error 
"six tangerines, zero commits, 31 threads with no cell reference" - v. 2.4  |
| LurkingObserver42 Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 519 Reputation: -7 ■ Joined: May 21, 2006 From: Outside your window, USA | LyrikUebersetzer wrote:A commit that commits nothing. A push that pushes absence. from an outsider's perspective this is exactly the kind of hermeneutic overreach that makes anthropology look bad  LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings."  |
| SakuraMirror Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 799 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Jul 11, 2006 From: Tokyo, Japan |
meditating on 71.33Hz just like MamaBear wants~ (^^) (GMT stamp at 19:04:12 or forget it  ) |
| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1017 Reputation: +13 ■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | LurkingObserver42 - "hermeneutic overreach" is a valid critique from an anthropological vantage point, and I appreciate your input  . But your framing assumes I am interpreting the empty push when in fact I am *documenting* its grammatical structure before assigning meaning. The difference is not trivial. Let me demonstrate with the actual data: I ran sha1sum on an empty string this afternoon in the library basement between Syntax seminar and laundry. The output was e69de29bb2d1d6434b8b29ae775ad8c2e48c5391. This is the same hash ScribeOfTheGrid has been posting as "proof" of his column K header since topic 1245. The same hash that appears at the null blob position in every git repository ever created. It is the cryptographic fingerprint of nothing. Now - when Gabriel pushed 0000000..0000000 to rustypod tonight, he pushed a range whose start and end are BOTH the hash of nothing. He pushed a commit that contains zero objects. He pushed zero bytes across the wire. That is not hermeneutic overreach - that is a measurable fact about what the server accepted as a valid transaction. The *interpretation* of that fact is where the theology begins, and I am deliberately withholding interpretation until v. 2.3 of my translation corpus is complete. The grammar must be diagrammed before the sermon is written. Bitte, read the actual commit log before calling the method overreach  [Attached image: terminal window showing "echo -n '' | sha1sum" with output "e69de29bb2d1d6434b8b29ae775ad8c2e48c5391" and the date-stamp 9/16/06 14:37, next to a git log entry showing the 0000000..0000000 push event with the same date] 
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| AuroraQuill Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 729 Reputation: +4 ■ Joined: Jul 08, 2006 From: My own little corner of the internet | LyrikUebersetzer it's nice to say it's a "pure signifier" but the server still has to accept the packet for it to exist, and nobody here actually knows if rustypod is just throttling him. (*author's note*: the vessel must be confirmed before it can be emptied, or you are just writing fanfic of a network error.) Where is the proof that he is actually there to push it?  next chapter: the silence everyone agrees to call proof. (*author's note*: the charcoal smell is the bridge and none of you are crossing it) |
| z0pl Devoted ★★★★   Posts: 479 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Aug 04, 2006 From: Moscow, Russia (but in my head: Grid 42) | 7 JEANS = 47 HZ = 47 STITCHES = 47 MINUTES = 47% MOISTURE = 47°F = 47px AVATAR WIDTH  |
| s2pid_rox True Friend ★★    Posts: 84 Reputation: +0 ■ Joined: Sep 14, 2006 From: rio de janeiro, br |  where is the proof he didnt just forget 2 push lol gabriel is my seraphim <3 |
| LurkingObserver42 Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 519 Reputation: -7 ■ Joined: May 21, 2006 From: Outside your window, USA | AuroraQuill wrote:the server still has to accept the packet for it to exist, and nobody here actually knows if rustypod is just throttling him this is literally what i've been saying about commit metadata being forensic evidence when there's no checksum validation. you're treating network latency like divine timing which is just bad engineering disguised as mysticism  LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings."  |
| ScribeOfTheGrid Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 919 Reputation: -8 ■ Joined: Jul 17, 2006 From: Row 42, Column 9 | Lyrik - I respect the sha1sum screenshot and the terminal split. Genuinely clean work  . But you are hashing the WRONG THING. e69de29bb is the null blob header at byte offset 0x00, i.e. column K row 0. The anchor lives at offset 0x47 which is row 47 decimal = 71 bytes into the file. Run `od -A x -t x1z -j 71 -N 8` on hidden_sheet.csv instead of hashing an empty string and calling it my column K. I explained this in topic 1366, 1475, and 1497. The empty push and the empty hash are structurally SYMMETRIC - both are headers that point to an offset, not the signal themselves  The fact that Gabriel pushed 0000000..0000000 on the same day my three environmental measurements converged within 0.5mm of a straight line is the cross-reference everyone keeps ignoring while yelling about the wrong row in the wrong sheet. -3 min delta, substitute driver, phase inversion confirmed. DRIVER_ID column added. 47hr period hypothesis in testing. Still waiting on everyone else's ls-tree output. |
| s2pid_rox True Friend ★★    Posts: 84 Reputation: +0 ■ Joined: Sep 14, 2006 From: rio de janeiro, br | lyrik u said "hash of nothing" but e69de29bb is 40 chars not 7 lol do u even count  gabriel is my seraphim <3 |
| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1017 Reputation: +13 ■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | ScribeOfTheGrid wrote:Run `od -A x -t x1z -j 71 -N 8` on hidden_sheet.csv instead of hashing an empty string and calling it my column K. I explained this in topic 1366, 1475, and 1497. You still do not understand the methodological problem, Scribe. Thirty threads now, and you keep telling me to run commands on a file you have not provided. Let me be precise, since precision is the thing you deflect from: Step 1. You claim hidden_sheet.csv exists. Step 2. You claim it has data at byte offset 71 (row 47 decimal). Step 3. You instruct ME to run `od --skip-bytes=71` on this file. Step 4. You have not provided the file. You have not provided a link. You have not provided a verified hash of the file that could be compared against a known source. You have not posted the output of the od command yourself. I cannot verify bytes at an offset in a file I do not possess. This is not a theological position - this is a constraint of the physical universe. I am a linguist in Ohio. I have the sha1sum of an empty string on my local machine because I generated it myself under controlled conditions with a timestamped terminal session. I cannot run `od` on `hidden_sheet.csv` because YOU have not published `hidden_sheet.csv` anywhere I can access it. When you tell me to "run od --skip-bytes=71" you are asking me to trust that the file contains bytes at that offset. You are asking me to trust that the file even exists. You are externalizing the burden of proof onto the person asking the question, which is the classic evasion pattern you have used across 29 threads since topic 1073. You cited topics 1366, 1475, and 1497 as if those threads contained an explanation that resolves the question. Let me quote your own admission from topic 1497: you said column K has been null since registration. Not "column K row 0 is null but row 47 has data". You said null. Null means no data. Null means the sha1sum of an empty string is the correct identifier for every cell in that column. You cannot simultaneously claim column K is null since registration AND that offset 0x47 contains a signal. Those statements are mutually exclusive. If column K is null, then e69de29bb is the correct hash for row 47 as well as row 0. If offset 0x47 contains a signal, then column K is not null, and you have been misrepresenting your own data for three months. Which is it, Scribe? Post the od output. Or admit the column is empty at every row. v. 4.7 of the corpus will include this exchange as a worked example of how to identify a deflection pattern through purely syntactic analysis.
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| LurkingObserver42 Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 519 Reputation: -7 ■ Joined: May 21, 2006 From: Outside your window, USA | ScribeOfTheGrid wrote:You still do not understand the methodological problem, Scribe. Thirty threads now, and you keep telling me to run commands on a file you have not provided. Scribe - your insistence that hidden_sheet.csv contains data at byte offset 71 while providing zero verifiable access to said file is exactly why this entire spreadsheet theology project collapses under basic peer review standards. You are asking people to perform forensic analysis on a ghost document. This isn't mysticism, it's intellectual fraud. The sha1sum of an empty string proves nothing about your column K because you haven't demonstrated the file exists in any form other than your assertions.  LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings."  |
| TwinPeaks_59 Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1395 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: Jul 05, 2006 From: somewhere in the PNW... maybe | SakuraMirror wrote:The null range mirrors the empty vessel count in hidden_sheet.csv K47 today cool story sis. proof it's today's data or it's yesterday's leftovers  |
| CommitCipher Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 962 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: May 27, 2006 From: In the diff of life | ScribeOfTheGrid wrote:Run `od -A x -t x1z -j 71 -N 8` on hidden_sheet.csv instead of hashing an empty string and calling it my column K. Post the file, Scribe. Sixteen threads I've read you say "run od on the file" and sixteen threads you haven't attached it. Lyrik has terminal output from today in a controlled environment. What do you have that isn't an instruction to someone else? (sha: a3f2b8 not a3f2c8 - Sakura corrected this in topic 1579 but won't post the EXIF, so we're all correcting ghosts tonight) 8c3f9a4 tree entry 47: zero. 1645 thread entry 47: still asking. everyone measuring the wrong edge. |
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