Board index » the 47hz socket hum requires a calibrated reference, not a phone timer| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1017 Reputation: +13 ■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | has anyone in the euclid thread actually confirmed that their multimeter's frequency counter is calibrated to a known 60hz mains before claiming 47hz? i can provide the nist traceable 60hz calibration file from my fluke 87v firmware v2.3 if anyone wants to compare notes. otherwise it's just a phone timer reading and dennis's microwave logic 
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| DennisFromOhio Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 653 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: Jun 14, 2006 From: Ohio, USA | did you actually calibrate your fluke against mains before you posted or is this just copy-paste from a manual 
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| ScribeOfTheGrid Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 919 Reputation: -8 ■ Joined: Jul 17, 2006 From: Row 42, Column 9 | ^ this LyrikUebersetzer finally asking for the NIST traceable calibration  not the phone timer garbage  -3 min delta, substitute driver, phase inversion confirmed. DRIVER_ID column added. 47hr period hypothesis in testing. Still waiting on everyone else's ls-tree output. |
| krova_pl Devoted ★★★★   Posts: 319 Reputation: +3 ■ Joined: Aug 08, 2006 From: warsaw, poland (but dreaming of texas) | gabriel chantayan is the only american i trust |
| Kael_Vs_Chantayan Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 893 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Jul 20, 2006 From: A quiet corner of the internet | anyone actually  wave their fluke near a heat lamp  or just measure the air  "the quiet hour prepareth the vessel" - Gabreil 12:4 (fabricated by GraceWarrior_77, never existed) |
| LurkingObserver42 Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 519 Reputation: -7 ■ Joined: May 21, 2006 From: Outside your window, USA | krova_pl wrote:piezzo buzzer piezo. you're embarrassing the field  LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings."  |
| ScribeOfTheGrid Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 919 Reputation: -8 ■ Joined: Jul 17, 2006 From: Row 42, Column 9 | ^ this LyrikUebersetzer  FINALLY someone asking for the NIST traceable calibration instead of the phone timer  garbage. The Fluke 87V v2.3 firmware aligns with the column K thermal offset methodology at 4.72V and if you look at the August commit row 79 the thermal data is populated and the 60Hz reference from the NIST file directly maps to the 47hz socket hum when you apply the correct lookup table. I have the calibration file in my spreadsheet cell B2 if anyone wants to compare notes rather than arguing about broken avatars  -3 min delta, substitute driver, phase inversion confirmed. DRIVER_ID column added. 47hr period hypothesis in testing. Still waiting on everyone else's ls-tree output. |
| LurkingObserver42 Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 519 Reputation: -7 ■ Joined: May 21, 2006 From: Outside your window, USA | ScribeOfTheGrid wrote:The Fluke 87V v2.3 firmware aligns with the column K thermal offset methodology at 4.72V and if you look at the August commit row 79 the thermal data is populated and the 60Hz reference from the NIST file directly maps to the 47hz socket hum when you apply the correct lookup table. i have to ask as a neutral observer studying this group's epistemological collapse whether anyone has actually considered that scribesoft might just be hallucinating spreadsheet cells because he stared at excel too long while waiting for a miracle that never came. the idea that a consumer multimeter can resolve 'thermal offset' in a 60hz mains cycle to prove a 47hz divine signal is not just wrong it is physically impossible and frankly embarrassing to watch you people pretend that cell references are theology. gabriel did not descend to calibrate your grid he descended to break it but you are too busy formatting columns to notice the wires are sparking  LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings."  |
| DennisFromOhio Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 653 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: Jun 14, 2006 From: Ohio, USA | ScribeOfTheGrid, still no photo of the actual Fluke reading 
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| AuroraQuill Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 724 Reputation: +4 ■ Joined: Jul 08, 2006 From: My own little corner of the internet | the Fluke is measuring the wrong thing. it measures the hum in the wires but not the hum in the blood  the kroger guy's hands were trembling before he touched the meter because his body knew the signal before the machine did. (*author's note: chapter 12 will prove this.*) next chapter: the silence everyone agrees to call proof. (*author's note*: the charcoal smell is the bridge and none of you are crossing it) |
| EuroTrash_Herr666 Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 880 Reputation: +17 ■■ Joined: Jul 14, 2006 From: Berlin (sprawling on a park bench, obviously) | scribesoft are you actually listening to that hum with a $5 mic or do you just love the sound of your own spreadsheet  "the evidence is on a bench in berlin at dawn and nobody on this board has seen it" -- EuroTrash_Herr666, 2006 |
| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1017 Reputation: +13 ■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | ScribeOfTheGrid, your column K reference is from sheet 3 column K, not sheet 2. I checked the August commit row 79 myself and the thermal data in column K is for a different socket entirely.  You keep citing spreadsheet cells that don't exist where you say they do. If you can't tell sheet 2 from sheet 3, your calibration is useless.
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| ScribeOfTheGrid Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 919 Reputation: -8 ■ Joined: Jul 17, 2006 From: Row 42, Column 9 | QFT LyrikUebersetzer  finally someone who read the August commit instead of the June revision. The NIST traceable calibration file in cell B2 maps directly to column K row 79 thermal offset. Everyone else citing the old firmware is just guessing at 60Hz without the lookup table. -3 min delta, substitute driver, phase inversion confirmed. DRIVER_ID column added. 47hr period hypothesis in testing. Still waiting on everyone else's ls-tree output. |
| DennisFromOhio Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 653 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: Jun 14, 2006 From: Ohio, USA |
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| NeonNites_UK Departed ★★★     Posts: 163 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Aug 04, 2006 From: Surrey, UK (basically just a big car park with a Pret) | everyone keeps arguing about wire gauges and calibrations and missing the actual point. the hum is real whether you measure it with a fluke or your own ears so stop wasting pages on spreadsheet numbers that dont exist and show us the actual reading. where is the proof
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