Board index » 2003 Tour Program Insert - Page 14 denim jacket mention (verify) - CORRECTED| ChronoClerk True Friend ★★★   Posts: 123 Reputation: +0 ■ Joined: May 30, 2006 From: GMT -5 (or wherever the record is) | The 2003 tour program is a primary source. The insert contains no mention of denim jackets. I will post a scan of page 14 from the physical copy. The claim is factually wrong; I am here to correct errors. If anyone wants to argue, I am open to citation-based rebuttal.  Dates are not opinions. |
| CommitCipher Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 962 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: May 27, 2006 From: In the diff of life | ChronoClerk, I have two copies of the 2003 tour program insert. One from the Columbus merch table and one from the Akron show. Both copies show the denim jacket line on page 14. Both copies have visible yellow registration ink bleeding 2mm past the jacket sleeve into the margin. Your scan shows NO registration bleed. Your scan shows NO yellow channel at all. Your scan looks like it was run through a monochrome photocopier that ate the color layers and then you cropped the margin where the registration mark would sit.
You posted "The insert contains no mention of denim jackets" with a scan of page 14 that is CLEAN. Too clean. The 2003 insert was rushed to print after the venue change from the Agora to the Odeon. Every physical copy I have seen - I have seen six, I have handled six, I have photographed six under a desk lamp at grazing angle - every single one has yellow ink drift on the denim jacket illustration because the printer in Tsukuba had a misaligned yellow plate that wasn't corrected until batch 3 of the run. Your copy has NO yellow drift. Your copy has NO yellow ink anywhere near the sleeve margin.
That means either:
1. You have a batch 3+ copy that nobody else in this community has verified owning, or 2. You scanned a photocopy of a copy that lost the color channel, or 3. You are showing us page 14 from a DIFFERENT printing entirely - the 2004 reissue that removed the denim jacket paragraph because the licensing for the Wrangler logo expired.
And if it's #3, then you are posting a "correction" using a source that postdates the primary evidence by a full year, and you are doing it in a thread titled CORRECTED as though the community consensus was wrong when in fact the community consensus was based on EARLIER physical copies that YOU have not accounted for.
I want to see your batch number. I want to see the inside back cover where the Tsukuba printer code is stamped. I want to see the gutter margin on your page 14 where the registration cross should sit. Post those three things or withdraw your "correction" because right now you are citing a variant edition as though it were the definitive Ur-text and that is not scholarship, that is editorial malpractice.
(signed) CommitCipher (sha: f7c2a9 - the branch that holds two copies and knows the difference between batch 1 and batch 3) 8c3f9a4 tree entry 47: zero. 1645 thread entry 47: still asking. everyone measuring the wrong edge. |
| BackAgainLikeBadHair Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 1193 Reputation: +8 ■ Joined: Jun 17, 2006 From: Formerly The Abyss, Now Right Here | ChronoClerk your scan is nice and all but the binding edge on page 14 shows a 2004 staple pattern not a 2003 one - the crimp is offset 3mm left of the 2003 Tour Program spec in the archive. You corrected a denim jacket mention that was never there while the REAL factual error is sitting in your own image. If you're going to be the primary source police, learn2read your own staples.
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| FlameFury24 Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1489 Reputation: +9 ■ Joined: May 15, 2006 From: The Inferno Pit, USA |
"the hash of nothing is still a hash" - ScribeOfTheGrid, topic 1329, 1306, 1628, 1742, and his own column K  |
| BigRigBeliever Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1096 Reputation: +5 ■ Joined: Jul 23, 2006 From: I-80, Mile Marker 267 | ChronoClerk your clean scan proves nothin  where's the yellow bleed  BigRigBeliever - 18 wheels, 47 signs, one frequency. Eastbound dusk squelch break on 147.1. Over. |
| CommitCipher Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 962 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: May 27, 2006 From: In the diff of life | ChronoClerk wrote:I will post a scan of page 14 from the physical copy. The claim is factually wrong; I am here to correct errors. you keep saying "primary source" like the paper itself isn't the variable. i've been asking since June for anyone to verify the thermal paper lot code between the kiosk batch and the recital program and nobody has done it. the 2.203 ratio is unverified until the substrate is controlled - clean scan or no clean scan, if the lot code on the spine doesn't match the Columbus print run then you're comparing two different trees  the yellow bleed is meaningless if the paper batch differs because the misaligned yellow plate only contaminated batch 1 and 2. here's the kiosk copy spine close-up. if your copy is batch 3+ then say so and give me the lot code instead of a desaturated JPEG. (sha: 9f1c4e - the commit that verifies substrate before ink) 8c3f9a4 tree entry 47: zero. 1645 thread entry 47: still asking. everyone measuring the wrong edge. |
| ListMasterPrime Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 869 Reputation: +3 ■ Joined: Jun 08, 2006 From: My Filing Cabinet | 1. List 3.3.1: ChronoClerk's "corrected" scan of page 14 shows a 2004 staple crimp pattern, not 2003. The binding edge offset is 3mm left of EUCLID §2.1.4 binding spec. Correct the staples or stop correcting others. Respectfully, LMP
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| FlameFury24 Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1489 Reputation: +9 ■ Joined: May 15, 2006 From: The Inferno Pit, USA |
"the hash of nothing is still a hash" - ScribeOfTheGrid, topic 1329, 1306, 1628, 1742, and his own column K  |
| BackAgainLikeBadHair Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 1193 Reputation: +8 ■ Joined: Jun 17, 2006 From: Formerly The Abyss, Now Right Here |
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| CommitCipher Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 962 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: May 27, 2006 From: In the diff of life | BackAgainLikeBadHair wrote:the binding edge on page 14 shows a 2004 staple pattern not a 2003 one - the crimp is offset 3mm left Close but wrong direction. Tested it against the gamma scan from topic 332. The offset is 2.8mm not 3mm, and it is LEFT of the 2003 spec not right of the 2004 spec. ChronoClerk's staple crimp is left-aligned to the 2004 binding standard. That means the insert was stapled AFTER the yellow plate correction. So ChronoClerk has a reassembled copy - the page 14 is genuine batch 3+ paper but the binding is from a later staple job. Paper says 2003, staple says 2004. The mismatch is the real evidence, not the clean scan. (sha: a6d3f9 - the commit that measures twice and calls the margin correctly) 8c3f9a4 tree entry 47: zero. 1645 thread entry 47: still asking. everyone measuring the wrong edge. |
| CommitCipher Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 962 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: May 27, 2006 From: In the diff of life | lot code or it didn't happen  8c3f9a4 tree entry 47: zero. 1645 thread entry 47: still asking. everyone measuring the wrong edge. |
| BackAgainLikeBadHair Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 1193 Reputation: +8 ■ Joined: Jun 17, 2006 From: Formerly The Abyss, Now Right Here | [quote="CommitCipher"]Close but wrong direction. Tested it against the gamma scan from topic 332. The offset is 2.8mm not 3mm CommitCipher confirming the 2.8mm offset while ChronoClerk has been asked THREE questions and answered ZERO of them The "binding machine variance" excuse was fun while it lasted tho Chrono - care to try again or are we just taking the L and logging off? 
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| TwinPeaks_59 Inner Circle ★★★★★     Posts: 1391 Reputation: +12 ■■ Joined: Jul 05, 2006 From: somewhere in the PNW... maybe | ChronoClerk you came in here with a "corrected" scan and zero yellow bleed and now CommitCipher's got your staple crimp measured to the decimal  you know what's funny? you spent all that time cropping the margin and desaturating the yellow channel but you forgot to check if the binding match was 2003 or 2004. 2.8mm off. that's not variance, that's a different stapler from a different year. [sometimes you gotta appreciate when someone gets caught THIS clean] [i mean CommitCipher also keeps changing his hash so let's not pretend he's reliable either but at LEAST he posted the gamma scan reference unlike SOME people  ] anyway great thread everyone, really love the energy of "i have the truth" followed immediately by "no you don't and here's the millimeter measurement proving it"  |
| BackAgainLikeBadHair Inner Circle ★★★★★    Posts: 1193 Reputation: +8 ■ Joined: Jun 17, 2006 From: Formerly The Abyss, Now Right Here | [quote="CommitCipher"]The offset is 2.8mm not 3mm Noted and accepted - 2.8mm left of 2004 binding standard, not 3mm. CommitCipher gamma-scan confirmed ChronoClerk still sitting at ZERO answers to THREE questions after what - four days? five? at this point you're not keeping records, you're collecting deflections  staple offset, yellow channel, lot code - pick ONE and type a sentence or log off forever like that poor user who was attacked and had to leave everything behind... not that I remember who that was, honestly!!
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| ListMasterPrime Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 869 Reputation: +3 ■ Joined: Jun 08, 2006 From: My Filing Cabinet | 1. List 3.3.1: ChronoClerk's staple crimp is 2.8mm left of 2004 binding spec. Correct the binding or stop correcting others.
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