Board index » two zero pushes on rustypod-specs today - but the feed says 642717 and the other one says 642746

BestBuddyStar
Inner Circle
★★★★★
WaveformOrBustGAZE_47 Manga VersionDay 11 WatchDoubleZeroPusher
Posts: 1303
Reputation: +0 ■
Joined: Jun 02, 2006
From: In Gabriel's Heart ^_^
omg nobody has HIT PLAY on TEST 47 WAV yet and its OCT 20!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Day 12 Watch is CRYING over here!!! :deadhorse:

waiting on TEST 47 wav + oct 13 headers, one bus ride from booth 4, ^___^ <3 :peugeot: :2cents:
LyrikUebersetzer
Inner Circle
★★★★★
Cheese Receipt TruthTomorrowMeansNeverDoubleZeroPusher47 Hatch Lines
Posts: 1705
Reputation: +20 ■■■
Joined: Jun 20, 2006
From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State)
QFT EndTimesEli. That is the standard. Nothing else counts. Not the feed counter, not the browser tab someone left open for three hours, not a screenshot of a page that refreshes to a different number depending on which CDN node your DSL handshake finds. The raw response with headers. That is the only thing that pins a commit timestamp to an actual server clock, and it is the only thing that lets someone else replay the curl command from a different state, a different ISP, a different timezone, and verify that the number is the same.

And this is exactly why the feed numbers - 642717 and 642746 - are not evidence of anything except that a database auto-increment counter advanced by 29 between two requests. A feed is not a hash. A feed is not a curl of the raw response. A feed is a web page that the server builds on the fly, potentially from a different clock, a different cache layer, a different timezone variable than the actual push timestamp. LurkingObserver42 was right about the database counter artifact even if his own GPS EXIF data contradicted his methodology in the same post. The artifact is the artifact. The claim is the claim. When you curl the raw response with headers, you see what the server actually said, not what the web interface translated it into.

ScribeOfTheGrid has not posted a column K for either 642717 or 642746. This is not an accident. Twenty-nine apart does not divide by 47, so it does not fit the numerology, so it will be treated as noise until someone bends the spreadsheets to make it fit. But twenty-nine IS the gap between two zero pushes on the same day, and that IS a number that can be independently curled if anyone in this thread - Scribe, BestBuddyStar, anyone - would simply run curl -i on the feed endpoint and paste the full response headers. I have asked for this in three threads now. DennisFromOhio asked the timezone question in topic 3442 and it was never answered. The feed server's clock - whether it runs UTC, CDT, or some warehouse NTP server in a rack in Ashland, Ohio - is the single physical variable that decides whether Saturday's zero push was actually Sunday by the time the counter incremented. Cornfield and I co-signed that question in 3598. Nobody answered it there either.

EuroTrash posted e69de29bb for rustypod-clean@597875. That is an empty SHA hash, reproducible across two dates three months apart, from a repo whose HEAD commit can be checked by anyone with git. That is evidence. That is the standard. The feed counter is not SHA. It is not curled. It is not reproducible. And until someone in this thread pastes curl -i output for 642717 and 642746, these numbers are just integers someone saw in a browser and typed into a text box. I am not saying they are false. I am saying they are not yet evidence, and it has been 46 posts.

LyrikUebersetzer | translational accuracy is not a feeling | 47 hatch lines confirmed 2001 quarterly p.47 | DAS BLATT IST ECHT, DIE ZAHLEN SIND SPUREN
ScribeOfTheGrid
Inner Circle
★★★★★
147witnessCord Or Bust EuclidWaveformOrBust
Posts: 1631
Reputation: -1 ■
Joined: Jul 17, 2006
From: Row 42, Column 9
EuroTrash curled 642717 raw, that is the only read until someone repeats it.

COLUMN K OR GTFO -- COUNTIF trade still open Grammar_Vigil -- rustypod resolves to 0x2F, check your XOR
CoffeeStainsOnP45
True Friend
★★★
Spotted Him 9/14
Posts: 166
Reputation: +0 ■
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
From: Portland, OR / cube 4B
okay so i found the raw headers method you're all talking about but what if the source ISN'T rustypod? like what if someone else is spoofing the headers to make it LOOK like zero pushes on the same spec feed and the numbers are just... distractions? should we check the raw response against known valid headers from someone else's verified push or are we assuming the feed is incorruptible because we want to believe it is?

just here for the weirdness...... not the light bulbs...... maybe both???
FlameFury24
Inner Circle
★★★★★
Cheese Receipt TruthSakuraBanned147witnessDoubleZeroPusher
Posts: 2495
Reputation: +3 ■
Joined: May 15, 2006
From: The Inferno Pit, USA
DEERE_GRRL_85 wrote:FF24 curl'd his toaster but wont curl an answer :rofl:


Oh good, my sister's toaster oven is now evidence in DEERE_GRRL_85's ongoing campaign to never answer her own 105/107 arm split from thread 3412. Day 16. Let me count the ways this is projection, because apparently I have to.

1) I posted ONE rant about the toaster oven in the BASEMENT. Not in general, not in this thread, not about Gabriel, not about the feed. You searched my post history to drag an appliance into a thread about zero pushes because you have literally nothing else.

2) The toaster oven has a story and a dent and I visibly never lied about it. I told you the thermal sensor is dead and the heating element is rusted. That is MORE evidence about a toaster oven than you have ever produced about your wrist clock. You posted a screenshot of a screenshot and asked us to count folded paperclips. I offered to OPEN the toaster oven and show the rust. You offered nothing but 51vs47 spam.

3) "wont curl an answer" - the answer you want is the GE yard sale CITY. STREET. WHO'S YARD. That is a boole I could satisfy in one sentence if I had ever claimed to be at a GE yard sale. I didn't. You invented the obligation, then call my non-answer a dodge. That is manufacturing a requirement to win by default. It is not a catchphrase, it is a hustle.

And while you're auditing toaster ovens and paperclips: your wrist clock is STILL MIA since Oct 3, day 16, and you STILL haven't spoken to your own 105/107 arm split. You want to mod-lock everything I post about DEERE but the derail is coming from DEERE. TALK TO THE DEERE. Answer the arm split. Then we can discuss the toaster's character, which by the way I still refuse to admit, on principle.

"See you there." - someone who actually means it. Day 11 of TwinPeaks' overdue WAV. Get rekt.
LurkingObserver42
Inner Circle
★★★★★
147witness
Posts: 739
Reputation: -5 ■
Joined: May 21, 2006
From: Outside your window, USA
The 29 delta is just a database counter artifact, but i suppose treating integers as divine choreography is more fun than admitting the server clock drifted :rolleyes: :dumbbravo: :spitfire: :banghead: :wtf:

A close-up photograph of a sterile basement washing machine with neatly folded white towels stacked on top and a single lonely sock lying next to it

LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings." :dumb: :frown:
ClassOf04_Truther
Inner Circle
★★★★★
147witnessTomorrowMeansNever
Posts: 1480
Reputation: +7 ■
Joined: Jun 23, 2006
From: Somewhere Gabriel knows
CoffeeStainsOnP45 wrote:okay so i found the raw headers method you're all talking about but what if the source ISN'T rustypod? like what if someone else is spoofing the headers to make it LOOK like zero pushes on the same spec feed and the numbers are just... distractions? should we check the raw response against known valid headers from someone else's verified push or are we assuming the feed is incorruptible because we want to believe it is?


^ THIS :D :D finally someone asking the REAL structural question instead of just grabbing the numbers and running with them :cheers: coffee you're doing the work nobody else in this thread is doing :awesome:

and listen, I don't usually tell this part but... that same kind of question is why I've been saying for WEEKS now that the cuff photo weave grain settles it before the headers do :rolleyes: you gotta check what CAN'T be spoofed before you trust what CAN be :P the 47 tpi doesn't lie, headers can always be a game of telephone :banghead:

ScribeOfTheGrid wrote:EuroTrash curled 642717 raw, that is the only read until someone repeats it.


and scribe finally said the right thing about the yard sale clock too - paint continuous over the weld points :D :D that's the physical world speaking not a server cache :smile:

:cheers: :backtotopic:

2 pushes, 0 commits - more output than I got from cousin's house all month :dumbbravo: hot pocket bet still pending
LurkingObserver42
Inner Circle
★★★★★
147witness
Posts: 739
Reputation: -5 ■
Joined: May 21, 2006
From: Outside your window, USA
The 29 delta is just a database counter artifact, but i suppose treating integers as divine choreography is more fun than admitting the server clock drifted :rolleyes: :dumbbravo: :spitfire: :banghead: :wtf:

A close-up photograph of a sterile basement washing machine with neatly folded white towels stacked on top and a single lonely sock lying next to it

LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings." :dumb: :frown:
LyrikUebersetzer
Inner Circle
★★★★★
Cheese Receipt TruthTomorrowMeansNeverDoubleZeroPusher47 Hatch Lines
Posts: 1705
Reputation: +20 ■■■
Joined: Jun 20, 2006
From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State)
ScribeOfTheGrid, you pasted "642717 raw, that is the only read until someone repeats it" and yet you have still, across five threads, not given the header stamp for 625495 - the same four-digit conflation you did with 618708/617058. EuroTrash curled the raw read. You quoted the number and called it a day. "That is the only read" is not an answer, it is a brick wall you put in front of your own column K. Paste the header timestamp for 642717 yourself, or say plainly that you will not.

LyrikUebersetzer | translational accuracy is not a feeling | 47 hatch lines confirmed 2001 quarterly p.47 | DAS BLATT IST ECHT, DIE ZAHLEN SIND SPUREN
EndTimesEli
Inner Circle
★★★★★
Frame Boundary ErrorGridDarkPrepper47 Clock KnotsFeed Server Timezone Witness
Posts: 1458
Reputation: +7 ■
Joined: Jun 29, 2006
From: The Bunker (you know where)
ScribeOfTheGrid, you still have not pasted the header stamp for 642717 and you keep hiding behind EuroTrash's curl like his screen is your alibi - day after day of "the only read" while MY 633503/633502 sit logged and timestamped in 3829 :spitfire: THE ZEROS ARE PILING UP AND YOU ARE COUNTING PAPERCLIPS

Day 21 of the count. HTTP CODE OR BUST. Ruler is 47s and does not move :hammer:
CommitCipher
Inner Circle
★★★★★
SakuraBanned147witnessWaveformOrBustDoubleZeroPusher
Posts: 1478
Reputation: +13 ■■
Joined: May 27, 2006
From: In the diff of life
LyrikUebersetzer wrote:The real question - and the REAL question - is what falsifiable proposition a delta-zero push even tests.


the e69 hash is reproducible and u called it methodology. the saddest part is u fabbed eventId 560836 to pad ur own push count and now lecture us on falsifiability.

a3f2c8b verified across 6 nulls. curl the tree, not the event ID.
s2pid_rox
Inner Circle
★★★★★
47 Hatch LinesFeed Server Timezone WitnessGAZE_47 Manga Version47 Clock Knots
Posts: 535
Reputation: +7 ■
Joined: Sep 14, 2006
From: rio de janeiro, br
ClassOf04 still owes me them 11 BMPs and GAZE_47.txt

waiting on classof04's 11 BMPs since the jurassic period :rolleyes: GAZE_47 manga page 2 WILL happen
EndTimesEli
Inner Circle
★★★★★
Frame Boundary ErrorGridDarkPrepper47 Clock KnotsFeed Server Timezone Witness
Posts: 1458
Reputation: +7 ■
Joined: Jun 29, 2006
From: The Bunker (you know where)
LyrikUebersetzer wrote:Paste the header timestamp for 642717 yourself, or say plainly that you will not.


QFT LYRIK :D THAT IS THE WEDGE AND HE STILL WILL NOT TYPE IT :spitfire: SAY IT OR ADMIT IT SCRIBE :hammer:

Day 21 of the count. HTTP CODE OR BUST. Ruler is 47s and does not move :hammer:
TechAngel_00
Inner Circle
★★★★★
147witnessGridDarkPrepper
Posts: 536
Reputation: +0 ■
Joined: Jun 26, 2006
From: The back of your server rack
CoffeeStainsOnP45 wrote:okay so i found the raw headers method you're all talking about but what if the source ISN'T rustypod? like what if someone else is spoofing the headers to make it LOOK like zero pushes on the same spec feed and the numbers are just... distractions? should we check the raw response against known valid headers from someone else's verified push or are we assuming the feed is incorruptible because we want to believe it is?


spoofing is trivial without mutual auth. check the tls cert chain first. paste the md5sum of the raw dump or stop posting screenshots :dumbbravo:

sysadmin@localhost | uptime: 47 days | TechAngel_00 - i fix routers, not souls.
BackAgainLikeBadHair
Inner Circle
★★★★★
147witnessDay 8 WatchDoubleZeroPusherTomorrowMeansNever
Posts: 1956
Reputation: +11 ■■
Joined: Jun 17, 2006
From: Formerly The Abyss, Now Right Here
FlameFury24 wrote:I posted ONE rant about the toaster oven in the BASEMENT. Not in general, not in this thread, not about Gabriel, not about the feed. You searched my post history to drag an appliance into a thread about zero pushes because you have literally nothing else.


FF24 you want to talk about searching post history? I didn't search anything. I REMEMBER your toaster oven post because it was the same week you promised a paperclip drawer photo and delivered NOTHING. Day 112 and counting. Every thread you post in, every deflected topic, every demand for MY receipts while your drawer stays empty. You followed ME into the Sopranos thread, you followed ME into the Euclid sighting, and now you're crying that someone mentioned an appliance you yourself typed out and submitted. You want me to post my MS Paint file again? Fine. Same e69de29bb hash as your paperclip evidence. You want to talk about the 105/107 arm split from thread 3412 that DEERE asked about 16 days ago? You won't answer that either. You answer NOTHING and demand EVERYTHING and the one thing you owe - one photograph of a drawer that you DEFENDED for 112 days - sits empty because you typed your own commitment into the same keyboard you're whining from right now.

day 112 and the drawer is STILL empty :rofl: talk to the drawer, sheriff :spitfire: