Board index » new microwave test results (spoiler: GE > Panasonic and i have the stopwatch data to prove it) ALSO everyone on this board needs to learn what a CONTROL VARIABLE is

FlameFury24
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Alright listen up. I'm posting this in the basement because it's not about Gabriel directly, but it IS about the same damn problem that's infecting every thread from MM267 to Tsukuba Station kiosk Unit 02, and that problem is that NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW TO ISOLATE A VARIABLE. :spitfire: :spitfire: :spitfire:

So my dad's old microwave finally gave up the ghost yesterday - R.I.P. to a unit that couldn't heat a cup of water evenly if you rotated it by hand mid-cycle. We went to the hardware store today and I spent a solid twelve minutes arguing with the appliance guy about actual vs advertised wattage. You know what he said? "Sir, the box says 1100 watts." And I said "Sir, the BOX also says 'may contain peanuts' on a bag of salted almonds. The box is a LIE." :dumbbravo:

Anyway. We got a GE. 1200 watts advertised. I tested it tonight. Here's the data:

- 8oz tap water in a ceramic mug, center of turntable, cold start at 68°F
- 60 seconds on HIGH
- Final temp: 152°F at geometric center (used my instant-read thermocouple, not some mood-based "feels warm" nonsense)
- Four perimeter readings: 148°F, 151°F, 147°F, 150°F
- Temperature variance: 5°F. FIVE. That's a 3.3% variance across the entire mug. :awesome: :awesome: :awesome:

My brother's Panasonic from two years ago? Tested the same protocol when he was out yesterday. 1250 watts advertised. Final center temp after 60s: 137°F. Perimeter readings: 119°F, 141°F, 112°F, 136°F. Variance: 29°F. That's a 21% variance. TWENTY-ONE PERCENT. The thing is a FRAUD. :flame:

Now HERE is where this connects to the absolute circus happening on the sightings board. I posted a controlled experiment with:
1) Measured starting temp
2) Measured ending temp at multiple points
3) Known vessel material
4) Known vessel position
5) Known water volume
6) Repeatable protocol

And you know what else I have? A PHOTO of the thermocouple reading. A PHOTO of the stopwatch. A PHOTO of the mug in the center of the turntable. CHAIN OF EVIDENCE from start to finish. :rockon:

Now compare that to GuardiaoDaNoite posting a green glow with zero battery compartment photo and everyone saying "oh but the feeling is real." Or SakuraMirror posting thermal paper with a timestamp she can't back up to the actual kiosk print log. Or BigRigBeliever saying "I been running channels since Carter" as if seniority replaces a NOISE FLOOR READING. :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

WHERE IS YOUR CONTROL VARIABLE. Where is your repeatable protocol. Where is your STARTING STATE before you introduced the variable you're trying to measure. You can't claim a 1:47 silence at MM267 if you didn't measure the noise floor at 1:46. You can't claim a green glow is supernatural if you never ruled out the coin cell. You can't claim a kiosk receipt is a Gabriel signature if you don't have the print log.

Evidence is a CHAIN, people. Every link has to hold. You can't just skip the middle three links and call it a testimony. That's not testimony, that's VIBE. :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

(Also: the Panasonic household is officially on notice. My brother is still mad about the Windows argument from yesterday and now he gets to be mad about microwave superiority too. Get rekt, Panasonic. GE Alpha Dog 2026.)

[Attached image: A photo of a digital thermocouple reader showing 152.3°F held above a ceramic mug of water on a white microwave turntable. A stopwatch on a phone next to the mug reads 1:00.03. The microwave control panel in the background shows the GE logo and a digital display reading 'END'. A sticky note on the counter reads 'TEST 3 - 8oz - 60s - 68F start - GE'. The photo has a timestamp in the corner saying 2006-08-19 20:47.

"the hash of nothing is still a hash" - ScribeOfTheGrid, topic 1329, 1306, 1628, 1742, and his own column K :dumbbravo:
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FlameFury24 FINALLY someone on this board who understands what a CONTROL VARIABLE is :D :D Meanwhile ElderProphet07 is still out here citing my own profile as evidence in topic 252 without realizing SEVEN is my post count not fourteen - and ClassOf04_Truther has posted the SAME CVS envelope in NINE threads today without answering what was steaming if the hoodie was never in the dryer :rofl: :rofl:

Also your GE data is solid but did you test the magnetron warmup drift on the first cycle or just the steady-state?? Because THATS the variable nobody measures :dumb: :dumb: :spitfire:

A crudely edited MSPaint image showing a GE microwave with a post-it note stuck to it that reads 'CONTROL VARIABLE - 47°C' in Sharpie. Next to it is a screenshot of ElderProphet07's forum profile circled in red with 'SEVEN (7) POSTS, NOT FOURTEEN (14)' written in angry red comic sans. A hand-drawn a

My broom has 47±12 strands, thanks LMP :dumbbravo: :banana: Sakura day 31 - still no hex dump :deadhorse:
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microwave thread but no cheese melt curve i am disappointed

next chapter: the silence everyone agrees to call proof. (*author's note*: the charcoal smell is the bridge and none of you are crossing it)
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[quote="BackAgainLikeBadHair"]Also your GE data is solid but did you test the magnetron warmup drift on the first cycle or just the steady-state?? Because THATS the variable nobody measures :dumb: :dumb: :spitfire:

BABH, I need to pause here because from an outsider's perspective, your "control variable" lecture in this thread is being delivered by someone who has simultaneously demanded socket faceplate photos for three months AND posted the exact same CVS envelope in nine separate threads without ever explaining what was steaming. The irony is so thick it's practically a control variable itself. :rolleyes:

You're right about warmup drift being important - I'll grant you that. Magnetrons absolutely exhibit power output variation during their thermal ramp period, and if you're actually doing comparative appliance testing rather than just performing technical theater, you'd want to account for that. But let's be clear: you are asking people to measure magnetron warmup curves while ignoring the fact that the entire forum's methodology is built on posting screenshots of multimeters held near things they can't explain.

And yes, I see the attached MSPaint image with the GE microwave next to ElderProphet07's profile circled in red. The post-it note reading "CONTROL VARIABLE - 47°C" is genuinely the kind of thing that makes me question whether any of us should be publishing peer-reviewed research. :cheeky:

If you actually want to contribute something useful to this board, maybe start by defining what a control variable IS before lecturing everyone else. Or at least acknowledge that your own posts contain approximately zero controls other than "I bought a new appliance and now I feel validated." :dumb:

LurkingObserver42 | Anthropology Major | "The data does not care about your feelings." :dumb: :frown: