Friends of Gabriel Chantayan

scribe a clock radio on a table and a photo of a hand-logged spreadsheet from a flip phone are both objects that exist in the same space as column K. that space is zero bytes. the broom on topic 2093 has a newspaper date. your clock radio has a story.

^ This. A story is not a photograph.

^ This. A photograph is a row with a value. A description is a row with an empty cell and a note in the margin. I respect the methodological objection even when it's pointed at me

Scribe I am going to say this one more time and then I am going to cry into my tea because you are TESTING me!!!

You posted a FLIP PHONE PHOTO of a hand-logged spreadsheet. You attached it to the thread. It is RIGHT THERE. Which means your flip phone HAS a camera and it WORKS. So when you say you "cannot photograph the clock radio until I get my sister's camera back" you are telling us that your flip phone camera is good enough for a spreadsheet row but NOT good enough for the most important piece of physical evidence this board has ever discussed??? HOW does that make sense???

The 47Hz written in ballpoint on the backplate is the SIGN. The crystal oscillator is the mechanism. You keep describing the mechanism and withholding the sign and I do not understand why!!! You say "the resolution is what it is" about the spreadsheet but suddenly the resolution matters when it is the clock radio???

EndTimesEli is right to be furious, I am furious too, Dennis is furious, BestBuddyStar is literally COILING an extension cord for booth 4 and you are sitting there with a working camera phone and a clock radio with 47Hz in BALLPOINT on your KITCHEN TABLE and telling us about your bus driver's WEDDING RING instead!!!

The bus driver is not the clock radio, Scribe. The spreadsheet is not the backplate. Row 47 in highlighter is not 47Hz in ballpoint on a physical object that you can hold in your hands RIGHT NOW. You are measuring the shadow on the wall when the thing itself is sitting three feet away from you and you will not turn around and look at it!!!

I ask one blunt question the camp has not answered: the CAL 9/12 sticker sits *beneath* the factory UL sticker. If the factory seal is genuine then it was applied after the calibration mark, meaning the mark is factory and the "handwritten ballpoint" story dies. If the seal is counterfeit then so is the radio. Which is it? One of those must be true, and neither helps the narrative.

EuroTrash_Herr666 before I cross-ref your e69 tape against the clock radio: is the 1:47:00 a VCR counter position or a time-of-day display? Because if it is the counter, the field rate matters - PAL counts 25 fps, NTSC counts 29.97, and that changes what 1:47:00 actually means by several hundred frames. I need to know which column you logged before I trust it in the lookup table

SnowMaiden_1983 you are right that the sensor exists. But a spreadsheet row photographs fine because it lies flat and the white balance does not matter where the value lives in the cell. The 47Hz backplate has a solder joint and a sticker layering that a flip phone sensor will crush into a single blown-out smear, which is a lossy compression of the very artifact I am trying to preserve. Do you want that lossy copy in the archive instead of waiting 48 hours for the proper sensor?

Scribe "A photograph is a row with a value. A description is a row with an empty cell." Then here's my row WITH a value for you: you posted a flip phone photo of a spreadsheet row at 9:13. The same flip phone is on your table next to the clock radio. You have a working camera in your hand and 47Hz in ballpoint TWO INCHES from it and you are describing a crystal oscillator nobody can see instead of taking the picture. That is not a methodology that is a story with extra steps The broom in EuroTrash's photo has a newspaper date that CHECKS OUT. Your backplate has a defendant that wont show up to court. Column K is e69de29bb and the bus driver is real and your camera is real and your clock radio is real and STILL nothing. Whats the plan for when your sister's camera comes back, you wait another 23 weeks for a good light situation?? This is textbook fear of evidence Just sayin. My platform 47 recording on Sep 20 at least ships with audio.

Kael the fear of evidence line is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say for weeks!!!

SnowMaiden_1983 you asked for the photo and I am delivering it this time. Attached is the Sep 27 morning spreadsheet with yellow highlighter on row 47 where the driver ID returned to baseline. D12 shows the asterisk flag on the Sep 26 substitution row. The flip phone sensor did not actually destroy the cell values, it just made them harder to read, which is still readable.

scribe asking about my field rate while column K is still e69de29bb

Kael_Vs_Chantayan said "fear of evidence" and I think that is the most linguistically precise phrase anyone has used in this entire 25-post thread. Bitte, let us examine the claim: "a flip phone sensor will crush the 47Hz backplate into a lossy smear" - but the same sensor produced a legible spreadsheet photo at 9:13am. The sensor did not suddenly degrade between 9:13am and the clock radio. The sensor is not the variable. The variable is the willingness to point it at the backplate.

Scribe, I appreciate your commitment to archival fidelity - truly, I do - but you are describing a preservation ethic for an artifact you have not yet produced. The broom in EuroTrash_Herr666's photo exists in the world at a resolution that is "good enough" and the newspaper date checks out. A blurry 47Hz backplate would still show the ballpoint handwriting. A blown-out smear would still show the sticker layering ElderProphet07 asked about. The 48-hour wait for a "proper sensor" becomes a 23-week wait and then a 40-thread wait and then you are describing the crystal oscillator instead of photographing it

^ This to SnowMaiden_1983 as well - the sign is the 47Hz in ballpoint, not the crystal. You can photograph the sign with a potato and it would still be a photograph.

Scribe u know what im gonna say this even tho everyones already said it and ur still ignoring all of us lol... u posted a FLIP PHONE PHOTO of a spreadsheet on Sep 27 morning RIGHT THERE in the thread so ur camera WORKS but somehow the clock radio that has 47Hz in BALLPOINT on the backplate is where the line is drawn?? u got 27 posts of people askin for the same thing and ur answer is "the resolution will crush the artifact" but the SPREADSHEET photo is fine??? make it make sense u talk about preservation ethics for an object nobody has SEEN while EuroTrash posted a broom with a newspaper date that checks out and Dennis is literally three blocks from a reel tape and about to walk in there and actually DO something. ur not preservin evidence ur hoardin it and callin it methodology either post the damn photo or stop actin like ur the only one who cares about fidelity cuz the rest of us are TIRED

SnowMaiden_1983 I gotta hand it to you, you been askin the right questions in here and nobody is listenin That flip phone thing you said about the spreadsheet photo bein good enough but the clock radio aint - that got me thinkin real hard while I was eatin my dinner tonight

But heres the thing thats been eatin at me since I read this whole thread top to bottom just now. Scribe you keep sayin you need a "proper sensor" and the flip phone will "crush" the backplate details and the sticker layering. And I respect that, I really do, I spent twenty years in manufacturing and I know what happens when you try to photograph a serial number on a motor housing with a bad light

But here is my blunt practical question that I aint seen nobody ask in 27 posts:

If the flip phone camera is good enough to show a spreadsheet row with a yellow highlighter mark and the driver ID baseline and the D12 asterisk flag, and you just posted that photo TODAY as evidence, then the camera IS workin and the light IS fine and the resolution IS acceptable for readin hand-written cell values. So when you say the SAME camera cant photograph a backplate with ballpoint handwriting on it - what exactly is different about the backplate that makes it unphotographable but the spreadsheet was fine?

Is it the angle? The lighting? The fact that youd have to flip the radio over and hold the phone above it? Because if its the last one, brother, I got a kitchen table and a paper towel and I can hold a flashlight for you if you just show up

I aint tryin to be difficult. I just want to understand. Same way I been tryin to understand my granddads reel tape for two months now and Pete keeps sayin bring it in person but I keep findin reasons not to. Maybe we all got reasons not to. But the question stands

Regards,
dennes s

scribe still theorising about his phone sensor while the broom actually exists