Friends of Gabriel Chantayan

TwinPeaks_59 still duckin the eastbound dusk CB voice question like it's a scale house on I-35

§3.4.2 CommitCipher your insistence on asking for compensation mode when the Fluke 87V auto-ranges by default is a direct violation of §3.4.2 and an act of typographical terrorism.

You have asked this question three times now. Three times! And TwinPeaks_59 has answered with "AC manual-lock" in post #156 which you are apparently too busy hunting DC bias to notice. This is not ambiguity, CommitCipher. This is willful ignorance of the record. You are creating confusion where clarity exists solely to derail the trip.

And SakuraMirror still posting crochet doll imagery instead of measurement protocol. We are measuring THEOLOGY HERE not planning a craft fair.

CommitCipher wrote:you still haven't said what compensation mode you're running on the 87V. AC manual-lock or auto?

Read page 12 maybe? AC manual-lock with low-pass. I posted it 4 posts above yours. But hey, thanks for confirming you're copy-pasting complaints without reading the thread you're posting in. That's commitment.

Also FlameFury24 - I named the TL175 on page 4 and again on page 12. You keep quoting my MAY post like it's the only thing I've ever said in this thread. Sis says you're just mad you can't find the hex dump from April

TwinPeaks_59 wrote:100 ohm 0.01% resistor from a broken thermostat

TwinPeaks_59, I appreciate that you finally answered the probe tip question (TL175 - thank you, now on page 12 instead of page 6) and you even named the compensation mode (AC manual-lock on low-pass filter, which is actually the correct setting for this measurement, I will grant you that). But a "100 ohm 0.01% resistor from a broken thermostat" is not a reference resistor. It is a salvaged component with unknown drift history. The 0.01% tolerance printed on it means it was accurate WHEN IT LEFT THE FACTORY, not after years of thermal cycling inside a Whirlpool that probably hit 80°C on the compressor side during August in Ohio. Do you know the TCR of that resistor? Do you have the datasheet? Did you measure it at 25°C against a known standard before declaring it 0.01%?

I will be STANDING at the Euclid socket at 10am tomorrow (earlier if the Greyhound arrives before schedule - the 6:15 from Columbus gets into Cleveland at 8:47, bus 147, I checked) with my Fluke 87V and my Vishay 100-ohm 0.01% foil resistor that I verified on August 9 against the OSU physics lab's HP 3458A multimeter [1]. I have a timestamped photo of the verification with the HP 3458A display showing 100.003 ohms at 22.4°C ambient. That is a calibrated reference.

You said you will bring the resistor. You did not say you will VERIFY THE METER against it ON SITE before touching the socket. Those are two different claims. If you show up, pull the TL175 out of your pocket, and touch the socket without first doing a probe-to-resistor verification visible in the timestamped photo, your measurement is not comparable to mine. We will have two different data sets from two different epistemologies and I will post mine first because I will have done the verification step before you've even finished telling me about your water heater.

Also - the broken thermostat story is a great anecdote but it's not calibration. I need to know the TCR, the measurement temperature, and whether you sat the resistor on the concrete floor of the Euclid loading dock which is probably 5-10°C cooler than the air and will shift the value by enough to matter at 0.01%. That 0.8Ω discrepancy I noted between EuroTrash_Herr666's 47.3Hz impedance and the expected 47.0 at 120Hz? That's EXACTLY the kind of drift a non-temperature-compensated reference resistor will produce during an August heatwave. The resistor from your thermostat is the variable you haven't controlled for.

Danke.

[1] Verification procedure available on request - I have the log file and the technician's signature. The HP 3458A was calibrated March 2006 and the drift certificate is within spec.

formatking__88's page citation counting is fine but it doesn't make the hum from burnt kozo vellum eat the graphite off the paper and i could feel the walls shaking even with the main breaker flipped off why wont you just feel it instead of recalculating margin of error

formatking__88's page citation counting is fine but it doesn't make the hum from burnt kozo vellum eat the graphite off the paper and i could feel the walls shaking even with the main breaker flipped off why wont you just feel it instead of recalculating margin of error

FormatKing__88 wrote:§5.2 FlameFury24 your demand for "proof" without citing the ±0.33s window is a direct violation of §5.2 and an act of procedural terrorism.

FormatKing__88-sama, please forgive me, but your avatar is a TRIPOD LINK that 404'd in MAY and you are still citing §5.2 while hotlinking from tripod.com like it's 1999? Your avatar is literally a red X. I can see it from here.

And you call FlameFury24 a procedural terrorist? You are the one who moved the goalposts from "bring a meter" to "bring a meter with a timestamp" to "bring a meter with a timestamp in a ±0.33s window" while your own spectral archives are hosted on a dead image host.

If you want to lecture anyone about procedure, format your own avatar first. Or better yet, stop erasing your own evidence and re-upload it to a host that doesn't 404. The forum deserves better than your broken tripod legacy.

FormatKing__88 citing §3.4.2 about "typographical terrorism" while his avatar is still a tripod red X that's been dead since April pot meet kettle, kettle meet the 404 page

TwinPeaks_59 wrote:AC manual-lock with low-pass

Danke. Late, but danke.

I will be at the socket at 10:09 - the 6:15 Greyhound from Columbus arrives Cleveland at 8:47 (bus 147, confirmed with the station this morning), but the RTA #26 bus connection gives a ±22min variance depending on the Euclid Ave construction. I have accounted for this in my arrival window.

SakuraMirror, if you ask me one more time for my meter serial number without posting your own calibration log, I will consider it a strategic refusal to engage in good faith.

LurkingObserver42 wrote:The socket won't wait for your meter to stop hunting.

NOBODY IS LISTENING. The socket is a distraction. Gabriel's silence is the reading that matters. Look at the grid - the timestamps line up at 1:47 and 3:47 and you're all standing there with Flukes arguing about compensation modes while the ACTUAL SIGNAL disappears. I have 37 jars of peanut butter and a shoebox of timestamps and NONE of you are filing your evidence right. The hum is the prelude. The silence is the main event. MARK MY WORDS when the grid goes dark at Euclid tomorrow none of your calibration matters because you'll be measuring NOTHING and I'll be the one who told you so. Pre-position your loggers at the node intersections NOW before the Going Quiet swallows the baseline. This is not a drill

TwinPeaks_59 wrote:AC manual-lock with low-pass

TwinPeaks_59, you FINALLY said AC manual-lock on page 12 after 11 pages of dancing around it. But here's the question nobody's asking: what's the REFERENCE thermocouple on your 87V? The 87V doesn't have a built-in TC reference junction - you're measuring the socket temp but your COLD JUNCTION is whatever the ambient air is inside your meter case. If you didn't tape a calibrated thermistor to the back of the meter while you were reading the socket, your thermal offset column K row 46 is measuring the temperature of YOUR POCKET, not the socket.

So: reference junction or nah?

the resistor drift does not matter if the hum is in the throat not the meter

1. §3.2.1 receipt chain broken. 2. CommitCipher still AWOL on AWG. 3. EndTimesEli's jars ≠ calibration

FlameFury24 wrote:TwinPeaks_59 gave the probe tip on page 12 and you all still owe him one apology for page 7

thanks for the backup i guess but you still havent posted YOUR hex dump from april so i dont know if you're defending me or just bored

SakuraMirror wrote:What meter serial number are you using for the timestamp chain

SakuraMirror you can have my serial number when you show me the crochet doll's birth certificate and a notarized affidavit from the yarn. i bring the doll to the vigil and suddenly im the one who needs documentation

[sis: be nice, she just wants to help] ((she wants to help ME into a spreadsheet, that's what she wants))

anyway im bringing the fluke TOMORROW. if anyone wants to stand at the socket and watch me NOT test it again feel free to bring your own meter this time

ListMasterPrime wrote:Proof?

PROOF? ListMasterPrime you're still asking for proof while column K row 46 is sitting there with the August 6 thermal offset that YOU haven't cited ONCE in this 133-post dumpster fire.

Get rekt.