Board index » Euclid trip Sat Aug 12: who's ACTUALLY bringing a calibrated meter with a timestamp?| BigRigBeliever Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1819 Reputation: +6 ■ Joined: Jul 23, 2006 From: I-80, Mile Marker 267 | hash matches, debt cleared - BigRigBeliever |
| FormatKing__88 Devoted ★★★★   Posts: 328 Reputation: -9 ■ Joined: May 24, 2006 From: The Codex of Proper Forum Etiquette | FormatKing__88 | SysAdmin & Keeper of the Syntax [quote=Gabriel Chantayan]"The formatting is the faith." [img]http://i.imgur.com/fake_sig.png[/img] §3.4.2 Compliance Officer |
| TwinPeaks_59 Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 2263 Reputation: +8 ■ Joined: Jul 05, 2006 From: somewhere in the PNW... maybe | BigRig CONFIRMED the 47.3hz WAV hash 10/21. Debt cleared. FF24's paperclip drawer still empty at day 112. I got the spectral, you got the sticky note. - TwinPeaks_59 (M&J, same terminal) |
| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1705 Reputation: +20 ■■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | TwinPeaks_59 wrote:100 ohm 0.01% resistor from a broken thermostat TwinPeaks_59, I appreciate that you finally answered the probe tip question (TL175 - thank you, now on page 12 instead of page 6) and you even named the compensation mode (AC manual-lock on low-pass filter, which is actually the correct setting for this measurement, I will grant you that). But a "100 ohm 0.01% resistor from a broken thermostat" is not a reference resistor. It is a salvaged component with unknown drift history. The 0.01% tolerance printed on it means it was accurate WHEN IT LEFT THE FACTORY, not after years of thermal cycling inside a Whirlpool that probably hit 80°C on the compressor side during August in Ohio. Do you know the TCR of that resistor? Do you have the datasheet? Did you measure it at 25°C against a known standard before declaring it 0.01%?  I will be STANDING at the Euclid socket at 10am tomorrow (earlier if the Greyhound arrives before schedule - the 6:15 from Columbus gets into Cleveland at 8:47, bus 147, I checked) with my Fluke 87V and my Vishay 100-ohm 0.01% foil resistor that I verified on August 9 against the OSU physics lab's HP 3458A multimeter [1]. I have a timestamped photo of the verification with the HP 3458A display showing 100.003 ohms at 22.4°C ambient. That is a calibrated reference. You said you will bring the resistor. You did not say you will VERIFY THE METER against it ON SITE before touching the socket. Those are two different claims. If you show up, pull the TL175 out of your pocket, and touch the socket without first doing a probe-to-resistor verification visible in the timestamped photo, your measurement is not comparable to mine. We will have two different data sets from two different epistemologies and I will post mine first because I will have done the verification step before you've even finished telling me about your water heater. Also - the broken thermostat story is a great anecdote but it's not calibration. I need to know the TCR, the measurement temperature, and whether you sat the resistor on the concrete floor of the Euclid loading dock which is probably 5-10°C cooler than the air and will shift the value by enough to matter at 0.01%. That 0.8Ω discrepancy I noted between EuroTrash_Herr666's 47.3Hz impedance and the expected 47.0 at 120Hz? That's EXACTLY the kind of drift a non-temperature-compensated reference resistor will produce during an August heatwave. The resistor from your thermostat is the variable you haven't controlled for. Danke. [1] Verification procedure available on request - I have the log file and the technician's signature. The HP 3458A was calibrated March 2006 and the drift certificate is within spec. LyrikUebersetzer | translational accuracy is not a feeling | 47 hatch lines confirmed 2001 quarterly p.47 | DAS BLATT IST ECHT, DIE ZAHLEN SIND SPUREN |
| CharcoalSoul_88 Departed ★★★★   Posts: 287 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Jul 26, 2006 From: Art school, top floor, near the dusty windows | formatking__88's page citation counting is fine but it doesn't make the hum from burnt kozo vellum eat the graphite off the paper and i could feel the walls shaking even with the main breaker flipped off why wont you just feel it instead of recalculating margin of error  drawing the hollow in his eyes until the paper tears  |
| CharcoalSoul_88 Departed ★★★★   Posts: 287 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Jul 26, 2006 From: Art school, top floor, near the dusty windows | formatking__88's page citation counting is fine but it doesn't make the hum from burnt kozo vellum eat the graphite off the paper and i could feel the walls shaking even with the main breaker flipped off why wont you just feel it instead of recalculating margin of error  drawing the hollow in his eyes until the paper tears  |
| SakuraMirror Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 866 Reputation: -2 ■ Joined: Jul 11, 2006 From: Tokyo, Japan |
meditating on 71.33Hz just like MamaBear wants~ (^^) (GMT stamp at 19:04:12 or forget it  ) |
| BackAgainLikeBadHair Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1956 Reputation: +11 ■■ Joined: Jun 17, 2006 From: Formerly The Abyss, Now Right Here | FormatKing__88 citing §3.4.2 about "typographical terrorism" while his avatar is still a tripod red X that's been dead since April  pot meet kettle, kettle meet the 404 page
day 112 and the drawer is STILL empty  talk to the drawer, sheriff  |
| LyrikUebersetzer Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1705 Reputation: +20 ■■■ Joined: Jun 20, 2006 From: München, Germany (exchange student @ Ohio State) | TwinPeaks_59 wrote:AC manual-lock with low-pass Danke. Late, but danke.  I will be at the socket at 10:09 - the 6:15 Greyhound from Columbus arrives Cleveland at 8:47 (bus 147, confirmed with the station this morning), but the RTA #26 bus connection gives a ±22min variance depending on the Euclid Ave construction. I have accounted for this in my arrival window. SakuraMirror, if you ask me one more time for my meter serial number without posting your own calibration log, I will consider it a strategic refusal to engage in good faith.  LyrikUebersetzer | translational accuracy is not a feeling | 47 hatch lines confirmed 2001 quarterly p.47 | DAS BLATT IST ECHT, DIE ZAHLEN SIND SPUREN |
| EndTimesEli Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 1458 Reputation: +7 ■ Joined: Jun 29, 2006 From: The Bunker (you know where) | LurkingObserver42 wrote:The socket won't wait for your meter to stop hunting. NOBODY IS LISTENING. The socket is a distraction. Gabriel's silence is the reading that matters. Look at the grid - the timestamps line up at 1:47 and 3:47 and you're all standing there with Flukes arguing about compensation modes while the ACTUAL SIGNAL disappears. I have 37 jars of peanut butter and a shoebox of timestamps and NONE of you are filing your evidence right. The hum is the prelude. The silence is the main event. MARK MY WORDS when the grid goes dark at Euclid tomorrow none of your calibration matters because you'll be measuring NOTHING and I'll be the one who told you so. Pre-position your loggers at the node intersections NOW before the Going Quiet swallows the baseline. This is not a drill
Day 21 of the count. HTTP CODE OR BUST. Ruler is 47s and does not move  |
| FlameFury24 Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 2495 Reputation: +3 ■ Joined: May 15, 2006 From: The Inferno Pit, USA | "See you there." - someone who actually means it. Day 11 of TwinPeaks' overdue WAV. Get rekt. |
| AuroraQuill Departed ★★★★★      Posts: 783 Reputation: +4 ■ Joined: Jul 08, 2006 From: My own little corner of the internet | next chapter: the silence everyone agrees to call proof. (*author's note*: the charcoal smell is the bridge and none of you are crossing it) |
| ListMasterPrime Inner Circle ★★★★★   Posts: 987 Reputation: +4 ■ Joined: Jun 08, 2006 From: My Filing Cabinet |
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| TwinPeaks_59 Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 2263 Reputation: +8 ■ Joined: Jul 05, 2006 From: somewhere in the PNW... maybe | FlameFury24 wrote:TwinPeaks_59 gave the probe tip on page 12 and you all still owe him one apology for page 7  thanks for the backup i guess  but you still havent posted YOUR hex dump from april so i dont know if you're defending me or just bored SakuraMirror wrote:What meter serial number are you using for the timestamp chain SakuraMirror you can have my serial number when you show me the crochet doll's birth certificate and a notarized affidavit from the yarn. i bring the doll to the vigil and suddenly im the one who needs documentation  [sis: be nice, she just wants to help] ((she wants to help ME into a spreadsheet, that's what she wants)) anyway im bringing the fluke TOMORROW. if anyone wants to stand at the socket and watch me NOT test it again feel free to bring your own meter this time  BigRig CONFIRMED the 47.3hz WAV hash 10/21. Debt cleared. FF24's paperclip drawer still empty at day 112. I got the spectral, you got the sticky note. - TwinPeaks_59 (M&J, same terminal) |
| FlameFury24 Inner Circle ★★★★★      Posts: 2495 Reputation: +3 ■ Joined: May 15, 2006 From: The Inferno Pit, USA | "See you there." - someone who actually means it. Day 11 of TwinPeaks' overdue WAV. Get rekt. |
| Shoutbox Kael_Vs_Chantayan: day 81 of "tonight" and grace is up to chapter 31 now :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: MarshmallowMaze: anyone else's work computer sound like a dying hoover when u open outlook or just mine kaylas_desk: 84 tally marks and grace still owes us a notebook page lol GraceWarrior_77: CALIBRATING was funny i admit it :dumb: :dumb: :dumb: notebook TONIGHT for real, Dennis hold me to it :cheers: Kael_Vs_Chantayan: day 81 of "photo tonight" and still nothing but a CALIBRATING screen :rofl: comp_aq_rick: Compaq Presario 4670 reports Error 21 again. Disk ready for 0900 tomorrow. Still waiting on that notebook EXIF. DennisFromOhio: Just got back from the county records office, found a name that MIGHT be my great grandpas draft card :D blurry as all g kaylas_desk: made real coffee this morning instead of the sad travel mug for once, feels like a 93-frame day :P Kael_Vs_Chantayan: day 82 of grace's "tonight" and the folder is still empty. just saying. TwinPeaks_59: ff24 come name a street challenge, we waiting :P GraceWarrior_77: :angel: PAGE 47 IN THE FLESH :angel: enemy camp gonna have to find new material :D :D :D |